Part 1. Stuff from Jermaine's book
Diana Ross:
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The more time he spent alone, the more going seemed less alien. But the propelling force was Diana Ross. she was in his ear saying he needed to chase what he wanted, advising him how to use his name, not the family name, making him believe in her example of leaving The Supremes. One of the hottest acts around - and a mentor he adored - was telling Michael that if he wanted to be the best, he had to jump... and fly. At least, that was how the message was relayed back to me.
It was life changing advice, issued in New York on the set of Universal's adaptation of the musical, The Wiz. Diana played Dorothy and Michael played the Scarecrow. It was Mr Gordy who handed him the debut screen role after Motown
The whole experience lit another desire within Michael: to get more involved in movies. It also brought him exceptionally close to Diana.
His devotion to our goddess of Motown developed from a teenage crush into a young man's infatuation. I think it's fair to say that, in his mind, Diana was the first woman he fell in love with. I always wondered if she felt for him the way he felt for her, or if she saw him as the little boy she'd first met. Michael felt she no longer viewed him as a boy, but as a man and a respected artist. They had the kind of true friendship that rarely exists in Hollywood and I think that was what he prized most. As for how intimate they truly became, this is where his music - nearly always semi auto biographical - should speak for itself. Go listen to the wistful lyrics of "Remember the Time" released in 1992. That song was, as Michael told me, written with Diana Ross in mind; the one great love that, as far he was concerned, escaped him.
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An in the attic's bathroom, he posted only one telling item: a giant image of the 1981 Diana Ross album Why Do Fools Fall In Love - a title which I think points to his own reflections about his relationship with Diana. I found it significant that this was the only image that stood in isolation in all the rooms.
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"a new friend who started hanging out with us in NY is Madonna whose star was rising" "Dressed in all black with a proud cleavage, naval baring cropped top and wild, scrunchy hair, she seemed to be a constant presence backstage at MSG and the Helmsley Palace - Mike's favourite hotel in NYC. At first, she actually came across as shy. She seemed more of a VIP fan than a fellow artist as she moved between rooms at the hotel, being social, spending most of her time with Michael and Randy. It was certainly productive networking time for her. Not only did she end up being managed by the Jacksons' management, Weisner and DeMann, she would recruit our keyboard player, at Leonard, as her musical director, and our drummer Jonathan Moffett for her Virgin tour.
In later years, it would also become obvious how much Michael inspired her artistically: his signature crotch grabbing dance was all over her Express Yourself video, and take a listen to Material World. That beat, that bass line? In my opinion, that's Can You Feel It right there. I always sensed that Madonna was hovering with intent, looking to get action from somebody, but Michael was indifferent to her back in 1984, which was probably why she turned first to Randy. The obstacle with him was overcoming the girlfriend who was not only with him but on his arm. Short of walking around with a sign saying "I'm taken" the situation couldn't have been any clearer. But we soon learned that very little deterred Madonna. Ignoring his girlfriend, she walked up to Randy, grabbed his face and stuck her tongue down his throat.
You would have thought that kind of directness would be enough to put off someone as delicate as Michael when it came to future dating prospects but, come 1991, he and Madonna 'dated' for the shortest time. Out of all the combinations Hollywood could throw together, this was probably the most ill matched. As Michael soon found.
Here was a gentle man in touch with his feminine side, and here was a wild woman with a tight grip on her masculine side. She was everything his ideal woman wasn't: brazen, outspoken, opinionated and with an unashamed shock value. I think Madonna sincerely adored Michael but the feeling wasn't mutual and she committed two cardinal sins. The first was that she played on the fears he had about relationships: that every woman tries to change a man. It was seemed she was hell bent on loosening him up, bringing him out of his shell, getting him to see life through her eyes. The second big mistake was when they were at dinner one night and she had the temerity to criticise Janet. Michael was furious and, not surprisingly, they never went on another date.
Other general girl stories:
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We knew one thing was certain though: other kids didn't wake up to find two or three pretty chambermaids standing at the foot of their bed, taking photos and giggling... with a laughing Joseph standing alongside, endorsing it. Our father was an early bird; we liked to sleep in. With his access via our connecting door, we'd hear him in our half sleep brightly offering to introduce his sons. "Do you wanna see the boys?" Next thing we knew the bedclothes were being pulled off us, leaving us lying there in our pyjamas with squinting eyes and smashed up afros. For a man who was all about presenting the right image, it seemed an odd thing to do. But that was Joseph's joke- catching us unawares.
On the occasions when Michael got wise and locked the door, we'd be woken by an angry Joseph. "OPEN THIS DOOR NOW, BOY!" He didn't stop yelling until we did. When he brought the maids in, we got mad internally but we couldn't speak up because we had to respect him. That was just how he was.
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On the road, Michael's other habit was room service; the most decadent perk of the music industry in his eyes. When he felt particularly mischievous at night, he'd ring up as someone else's child and place the biggest bogus order to a different room. But his funniest ruse was calling one of the roadies and using his high voice to impersonate a girl fan. Jack Nance our road manager and Jack Richardson, our driver come right hand man, were always our favourite targets. When they picked up their room phone Michael spoke into the receiver and introduced himself as a girl fan: "I saw you tonight... I love the way you looked," he squeaked, and then detailed what Jack had been wearing that day for added authenticity, "... and I was a fan of Michael's but you stole my eye..."
I was laughing so hard that I had to go to the bathroom, but Michael kept it going with a straight face: "What do I look like?" (cue the shy giggle) "Well, I'm tall, slim and very pretty... all my girls tell me so... How old am I? I'm almost sixteen," he'd say. He kept this going for a good ten minutes, teasing them and pumping their egos, but we never let on it was us. We just let them believe they had adoring fans. The next morning, when we saw either Jack in the hotel lobby, looking all dour and serious, Michael nudged me and whispered, "Old dogs - they're dirrrty.
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"It was after a photography class and I'd disappeared with a girl who had invited me into the dark room because she said she wanted to kiss me. With the door shut, we were awkwardly overcoming our teenage shyness in the red luminescence, reaching the point where our lips were about to touch, when - "I CAUGHT YA! I CAUGHT YA!" Michael burst in.
He caused such a commotion that a teacher arrived to find out what all the fuss was about. As I explained my way out of being with a girl in the dark room, I heard Michael running down the hallway, laughing.
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There were so many girls coming at me back then and my teenage self found the attention impossible to resist, but sneaking a girl by Bill Bray's door, and knowing when Joseph was not around, was a skill in itself. Because it was also 'forbidden' it felt like a homerun every time I managed to get a girl beyond checkpoints and beyond the threshold of the bedroom door. I had never been so grateful for exterior fire exits and back stairways. The awkward problem, of course, was sharing a room with Michael. What made this worse was that if he knew I was pursuing a certain girl, he'd deliberately attach himself to my hip. But once - one golden once - Michael was nowhere to be seen and I managed to sneak away from some hotel gathering to hook up with the prettiest of girls.
Back home, I had been seeing a lot of Hazel Gordy, but while we liked each other - and send endless love letters - puppy love had not advanced into anything serious, leaving me free to build my experience on the road. We older bothers had a way of describing how far we got with a girl: from 'first base' (the kiss) to 'second base' (touching/clothes off) to third base (the sex) and, in my hotel room, I was an LA Dodger running wild, eyes closed, on top of this girl, kissing and touching with a freedom I didn't think possible. "That feels really good..." she said. I was getting serious, she was groaning. Third base was in sight. I had one hand stroking her face, and the other on the mattress beside her head.
"I love how you stroke my thighs," she continued, "... you're real gentle..." I'm not stroking your thighs, I thought. "It feels good," she whispered. I peeked open my eyes and manoevered my head to take a sly look down the bed, and that's when I saw it - Michael's arm, reaching up and over from underneath the bed, his hand circling her thigh.
"MICHAEL!" I jumped up, the poor girl was mortified and Michael, chuckling, was already scrambling for the door. I could have killed him, not only because he was hiding there the whole time, but because he heard me whispering all these sensual, sweet nothings that he would tease me with for weeks after. I refused to speak to him that night. When we turned out the lights and he wished me goodnight, I said nothing. He waited a few minutes in the dark and then brokered the peace. "She got some real creamy thighs!" he said. And we both burst out laughing.
Jermaine story:
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We rode together as brothers en route to stadiums, but didn't always share the same vehicle at others times because the JW elders took up two seats alongside Michael. Often, there was also Frank Dileo and photographer Harrison Funk. Growing entourages meant that it wasn't always possible to travel together. But the following story was a funny memory of Michael's that Harrison - whose friendship and less was trusted to roam freely with him for many years - has assisted with.
Their van had stopped at a set of traffic lights in Kansas City when Michael spotted three hookers on the street corner, with one wearing sequined hot pants. Michael's eye couldn't help but wander. "Oh my goodness, hurt me!" he said playfully - Jackson speak for, "Oh wow, she's looking hot." Then, just as the lights were about to change, he stuck his gloved hand out of the window and waved.
Three hookers did a double take, wondering if that was just... maybe.. it can't be... Michael Jackson? Just to make sure that they were certain, Michael opened the van door a little and, looking back as the van began to move away, he showed his face, chuckled and then slammed the door tight. He twisted around in his seat to watch three hookers jumping up and down in excitement. I don't know what the two JW made of this interaction but it made Michael's day and made one thing clear: he wasn't always going to be squeaky clean.
Part 2. From Flo Anthony
Michael Jackson and Sheila
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Florence Anthony says her friend Sheila dated Michael and went to Disneyland with him in 1979, Michael Jackson Preservation Radio Show, 7th August 2011
Florence: I originally met [his family] in 1977 at Disneyworld in Orlando Florida.
Q: “Were you doing what you were doing at that time?”
Florence: Oh I was a kid. I was at Disneyworld just like they were at Disneyworld and they were in line, just like I was in line. LaToya later told me that was her first time. And the kids were like, “Flo, that’s Michael Jackson,” and I said, “No, that’s not Michael Jackson” and they said “Flo, it’s Michael Jackson” and I turned around and itwas Michael Jackson. So I was like, “Everybody just calm down and see if we could take some pictures. So we took the pictures and the rest is kind of history.”
Q: “Michael wasn’t in disguise when you met him?”
Florence: No no, Mike was in line like everybody else. And later on, a friend of mine that he used to go with, Sheila, she went to Disneyworld with him not long after that, I would say maybe a year and a half, two years after that, and he wasn’t in disguise at all. He would mainly put on disguises when he would hand out JW pamphlets and stuff, but other than that he wasn’t in disguise.
Q: “You said he used to go with Sheila?”
Florence: Yeah, a friend of mine, Sheila, used to go with Mike and she went to Disneyworld with him, I’d say about a year and a half – that was about 77 so it was about 78, 79, when they went to Disney after that and I mean, he was a great great fan of Disneyworld and so he was there often throughout his life. Even after the kids were born he would go, back then I can’t think of the first… ’cause that’s when they had the Magic Kingdom, so I can’t quite think of the hotel he stayed in but after that he would mainly stay at the Dolphin and the Swan, because he liked the paddle boats that they had and then after that his favorite hotel was the Grand Floridian.
Confirms they dated on her facebook, August 2011
Florence Anthony:
• Yes. My friend Sheila dated Mike.
Suspect it might be a woman called Sheila Eldridge...
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So here's this girl, Sheila Eldridge, who has worked with Flo Anthony
she also went to Howard U. which is where Flo went to school, and she graduated from Howard in 1975 and lived in LA after that, working in music publicity and going to UCLA, so she'd be in the right place for it...
:: The Crusade vrs 3.0 :: #!/usr/nyc/bin/the business/...
This is her pictured on the very left in 1979, the year where she would've been to Disney with him (if it is her)
The Sylvers visiting the Los Angeles offices of Cashbox music trade magazine(Sheila Eldridge of Casablanca Records, Angie Sylvers, Foster Sylvers, Carita Spencer - R&B Editor at Cashbox Magazine)
Pictures & Photos of Foster Sylvers - IMDb
Pictures & Photos of Foster Sylvers - IMDb
So she worked in the industry and she's friends with people who worked in Motown and other labels too...
She was thanked for help with Nelson George's 1984 book about MJ...
http://translate.google.co. uk/transl...n-espanol.html
ABOUT DEBBIE AND LISA MARIE
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Interviewer: "You even advocated his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, who to this day, people still think it's a sham."
Oh no, not that one or the one with Debbie. Lisa Marie was... I went to London, when I don't know, he was inbetween her and Debbie. One of them flew in, the other one flew out, I don't know what Mike was up to. Yeah, it was crazy, I don't know what was going on. But Lisa Marie and Janet became best friends and Rebbie used to babysit Ben and Riley. Rebbie's daughter, Stacy or the other one, used to babysit for Lisa Marie.
That was a very real marriage. One time when I was on The Scream videoshoot, in fact, Lisa Marie kept calling Mike the whole time we were doing the video, and kept calling over there.
She's wonderful, that's another person that's very nice and very down to Earth. I only spoke to her a few times.
But you know, Debbie is a friend of mine. I got to be friendly with Debbie. So that was also a very real marriage.
She used to call me and cry at night. After Mike died and I went to Jamaica with Tito and did the interviews with him for The Insider, she didn't talk to me, but the producers called and said, "We have a message to you from Debbie Rowe, she said you were just great with Tito on TV" and I said, "Well, is she gonna call me?" But they said she was still grieving too hard. But the way she called me was, she saw me on TV defending them, when Prince was a baby, and she called me up and she got my
number and she said, "You know what, I'm so tired of people talking junk about MY kid and MY husband." Those were her exact words. And then I started talking to her and she started calling me on the phone almost every night.
I got to know her, I only spoke to Lisa Marie a couple of times. But she's always been very nice.
Interviewer: "I thought Lisa Marie was so great when she did that Diane Sawyer interview with Mike."
And also when she did Oprah last spring she was fantastic.
And I have this friend, I call him Ted The Gangster (?), when Michael married Lisa Marie... he said, "You know, call me when there's a Michael Jackson press conference." He said, "Forget all them wannabe pimps, Eddie Murphy and Magic Johnson, he just bust out Elvis Presley's daughter like she was nobody." He said, "That's my man!" He said, "Call me when he's in town!" "He just plucked her out the forrest like she was nothin' and married her." That was very true.
"When one flew into London, the other left..."
Oh yeah, we were like, "What is he up to?" They were passing each other in the sky. That was Mike, he's more like his daddy than people thought. That was Mike. That was the Mike I knew.
Part 4. African Oakland Artist He Proposed To In The 90s
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Flo Anthony, facebook, 12th August 2011 “I do know he dated an artist from the Oakland, California area in the 90s who he was considering marrying. She had one of those African type names.”
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Liza Minnelli, Daily Mail, 27th September 2011
She sighs. ‘I remember he was going with this girl and he was so in love with her. He came to show me the ring he’d bought for her. I asked him what he was going to say and he didn’t know. So I said: “Let’s rehearse,” and that’s what we did. ‘But the girl turned him down. She said she wasn’t ready to commit right now. She told him to ask again in six months. And it all but killed him. He was heartbroken. I knew all his girlfriends including Lisa Marie who became his wife.’
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Liza Minnelli Confirms It Isn't Anyone Famous, Twitter, September 2011
liza_withaz
No, it wasn’t Brooke Shields. I don’t feel at liberty to divulge the identity of the girl, but no, it wasn’t even anyone famous.
Some other stuff on that time period I collected which might be about her
Michael Jackson And An African Oakland Artist He Had Proposed To
Part 6. "Terri Fredericksen" Redhead Scientologist Girl From 1983 Or Before
Lloyd Skip Press is a former Scientologist and knew Priscilla and Lisa Marie Presley when he was in Scientology, he also dated a "Terri Frederickersen", another Scientologist at that time, who he knew had a relationship with Michael Jackson and had told him "he definitely isn't gay"
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Skip Press, alt.law-enforcement.interpol , Oct 16 1998
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I know Lisa Marie. I don't believe she'd marry anyone unless she loved them, and knowing her husband as well, I'm not surprised they had problems which led to divorce. I'm also not surprised if they're back together.
Lisa is a sweet girl, but it was a helluva tough thing growing up in her spotlight. And I don't think Danny Keogh was on staff at the time, so you're really twisting some facts here. Michael knew a lot of Scientologists, including Terry Frederickson, a girl who was later
declared a "suppressive person" by Scientology. Lots of people worked on getting him into Scientology, and his father Joe Jackson went to
Clearwater and got auditing. Other members of the family might have, too.
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I kind of recall Reed Slatkin running the Santa Barbara mission in the
> mid-80s? Is that right?
I am not sure re this...I met him while on OT 7, in the '90's, as I said.
Anyone else know?
Hey...did you see the FRONT PAGE Section of the LA TIMES Business section
today? "REED SLATKIN Given 14-Year Prison Term". Excellent article. Oh...I'd
LOVE To see RPR (Ron's Public Relations Office--responible for Hubbard's
personal image, which just took another huge dive this week---scurring
around today Hi kids.....face it, as long as you keep acting
like dorks, you will be looked at as the criminals you support.
> In any event, the person running Division 6 there, the public division,
> was a 17 year-old former drug dealer. The whole place was kind loose
> and crazy, like most $cn missions and churches.
I remember those days well. Actually, I found them MUCH more fun than the
Nazi regime dramitization that occurs with this new regime. Don't you
agree..or did you leave before it got so bad?
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, July 12 2002
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Jackson's involvement goes back to the early 1980s, when he was sleeping with a former drug dealer turned Division 6 (Santa Barbara mission, public recruitment for those who don't know) person named Terry Fredericksen, who was a vivacious redheaded lady. She was later declared a Suppressive Person by the Church, and her not recruiting Jackson might've had something to do with it. And before that, $cientologist Dick Zimmerman, a top fashion photographer in Los Angeles, shot Jackson's "Thriller" cover.
It gets deeper. His father, Joe Jackson, went to Flag and had auditing, and Jermaine Jackson and his wife Hazel (the daughter of Berry Gordy) took a film class with Eric Sherman, the son of noted director Vincent Sherman.
The Jacksons were around a lot of clams over the years and one poster was right -- the cult's too weird even for Jackson.
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, February 1st 2005
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Then there's Michael Jackson.
- Married to $cientologist Lisa Marie Presley.
- Bedded by $cientologist Terri Fredericksen (who was later declared a
Suppressive Person by the cult - was it because she couldn't get him
involved?)
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, Mar 31 2005
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They were trying to get him a long time before that. Around 1983 a redhead from Terry Fredericksen told me she slept with him and that he definitely wasn't gay. I'm not sure if it was because she didn't recruit him into the cult or what, but it wasn't long after that that Terry was "declared a suppressive person" by the evil cult.
Joe Jackson supposedly got auditing at Flag in Clearwater, but I'm not
sure if that explains why he looks like the devil. Jermaine Jackson took a film class from $cientologist Eric Sherman, who tried to recruit him. Not sure how that turned out.
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Skip Press, 26th June 2009
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Anybody remember anyone ever posting anything here about Joe Jackson
getting auditing at Flag and how Lisa Marie might've also worked on
Michael to get him intto $cientology? Michael and I both briefly dated
the same $cientology woman (no I'm not telling), and $cientologist Dick Zimmerman shot his "Thriller" cover. I know they'd say "if he was in $cientology he'd be alive" but I've wondered at times about Michael and the cult.
Another former Scientologist, Michael Wilde, also recollects that a female Scientologist had attempted to recruit Michael Jackson and been labeled a suppressive later
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Michael Wilde, alt.self-improve Dec 1 2002
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Three people were involved in attempting to bring Wacko Jackson (Michael Jackson) into scientology. One is in jail, the other has been "Declared" (a word meaning to be declared as a suppressive element in the organization) and chucked out on HER ear.The third (Ms Presley, herself), is not welcome back.
My understanding is that two people were kicked out of Scientology because they were more interested in the FSM commission from Jackson than having their ethics in (among their many other crimes).
Unfortunately we haven't been able to track her down, but it seems strange to me that Skip and Michael would both lie about this (they aren't MJ fans and have made no profit from any of this) and for such a consistent period of time, over 10 years at this point. Skip also talks about dating three other women who were in/around the music biz from back then and has also consistently referred to them throughout the last 10 years, I decided to google around and all of them check out and all the time periods he describes for them check out.
But if you ask Skip about it he won't answer and Michael is terrified of talking about Scientology with anyone...
Part 7. The Last Girlfriend The BG Talk About?
Someone on Reddit made these posts in a discussion about dating celebrities:
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[–]intheknowtoo 19 points 7 hours ago
I know the person dating Michael Jackson when he passed. Shocking part: it's a girl. Shocking part #2: She looks exactly like his youngest child.
[–] intheknowtoo 2 points 3 hours ago
Not sure how much I feel comfortable revealing, since they managed to keep it out of the public eye quite successfully. If it ever comes out, you read it here first. She's a non-American dancer but not really famous. Way younger than he was. Nicest person you'll ever meet, too.
from intheknowtoo via IAmA sent 4 minutes ago
I doubt they really know what they're talking about. Groupie does not equal girlfriend. This girl was his girlfriend, he did an amazing job protecting her from the public eye and pretty much everybody he didn't want to know. She keeps on working as a dancer even to this day with nobody bothering her about this.
Only a few people knew about it.
[–]intheknowtoo 1 point 15 minutes ago
She never worked for him. She's in her early 30s now.
[–]intheknowtoo 1 point 3 minutes ago
Honestly, I don't know about that. All I know is that kid [Blanket] looks exactly like a mix between the two of them.
I've never heard from her she's his mother, but they look so much alike it's scary.
So the BG know about her and she's apparently told friends about dating him but they've all kept it a secret...
I think if he had a type then Blanket's mother would likely fit that...
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Originally Posted by PenelopePitstop
Gest says that Michael was on a film set and one of the leading actresses on the film took him to her room and they had sex so if we can find out what film sets Mike has visited, we could whittle it down.
Frank Dileo mentions relationships that Mike had seperately from the hollywood stars he had been with. He said that Michael told him confidentially about relationships he had been in but were kept strictly private as noone wants the fans to find out because fans want to still think the have a shot with him.
And some guy (I'm not sure who some of the people are in the doc but I assume he is famous) saying that he was sharing a table with Mike at some function and he had to go to the loo, when he got back, Mike was chatting up his date and the guy was like "beat it and get your own".
Then they talk a bit about LMP. That's it really.
Oh and Whitney thought at one point Michael was sucking her toe but it turns out to be Bubbles. I think she was joking about thinking it was MJ.
In an outtake, Whitney says this:
Whitney: "I really wanted to marry Michael and you [David Gest] were in the way all the time, so that's why."
David: "He should've married you."
Whitney: "Yeah he damn well should've, right."
David: "I love you so much."
Whitney: "I love you, too."
Part 9.
Tatum O'Neal admits to making out with MJ and says she knew his love for Diana was real....
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Tatum O'Neal on Howard Stern, June 15th 2011
Howard: Ever make out with...
Tatum: Michael Jackson? Yes.
Howard: So you did make out with Michael Jackson?
Tatum: (laughing) Yes. Uh-huh.
Howard: Now that's weird.
Tatum: Sorry. That's not weird, come on, that's lucky. A lot of people would want to make out with him, it was before had all that face work done, come on.
Howard: But I thought you said he was kind of scared...
Tatum: He was scared... he had a big half...(gets interrupted)
Howard: Of course he was scared, he was a homosexual man.
Tatum: Was he? Is that what you think? He was in love with Diana Ross and I know that that was real.
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Tatum_Oneal Tatum O'Neal
@NitashaNath Michael jackson was the sweetest person in the entire world.x
Tatum_Oneal Tatum O'Neal
@mimimjfan I met Michael the first time when I was 13. But we were friends for a long time. X
@RatmiMj09
what do you feel when you first time met michael?
@Tatum O'Neal
love
MJ always had a thing for the ladies, even as a kid
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Your Coolest Celebrity Encounter [Archive] - toonzone forums
Chris Sanders MSX
07-27-2002, 05:27 PM
I've met no one but my parenst have. My dad has met Carol Mosely Brawn, Mayor Daley(of Chicago), Jonny Cochrin(Lawyer that got OJ Simpson off..People say they look alike),Judge Mavis and that's all.
My Mom dated Michael Jackson when they were teens during a break from touring, or something like that.
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"Your mother dated MJ?"
csandreas Christopher Delbert
As a kid.. yeah. How do you know about that?
This was when Mike was about 10/11, this was back in Gary Indiana
Joanelle and Jocelyn also said they "dated" him back then (whatever kids call dating)
Michael Jackson and Joanelle Romero | rhythm of the tide
1970 Jocelyne Danchick | rhythm of the tide
yvette story here
I feel so bad. It has spelling mistakes though. & I'll repeat that I'm not sure if I believe it because it sounds like a groupie encounter and I don't believe those stories.
someone told me about this site on saturday
so i thought I´d check it out, you guys are pretty funny, I want to tell you about something that happened between me and the man himself, you don´t have to believe me and you can put me on blast all you want but the person who told me about the board (does josie post in here? What´s her name?) knows that I´m not some crazy groupie wannabe, so here it goes..my name is yvette, I´m songwriter/producer and I´m 27 years old. I probably shouldn´t be saying this but I don´t think anyone will care too much. I had sex with Michael Jackson in November of 2000. I was asked to submit a few songs for inclusion on Invincible. I was invited to work with him, working on harmonies and vocals and stuff. we became kinda buddy - buddy during the course of the time we worked together. I thought he was flirty with me but I fugred that I must have been imaging it because I thought mike was gay and if he wasn´t, that he only was interested in white women (I´m black latina), but one day mike asked if I wanted to come chill with him and some other people back at his place, I agreed. during the night I became convinced that mike was definitely flirting with me. he´d whisper things into my ear, grab me around he waist, things like that let me tell you, michael jackson looks sexier than any of you would ever imagine, when we hung out he wasn´t wearing any makeup, he´d wear sweatpants and a baseball cap. he looked so normal and he really does have ths sexy presence around him, the little mannerisms he does -- biting his lip, pressing up against you. I never thought Michael Jackson was sexy before but I sure do now, when the get-together was winding down, I thanked Mike for the lovely evening and got ready to leave, Michael asked if I´d like to stay. I agreed to stay and we started talking, mike was really talkative, I think it had something to do with the six glasss of wine he drank through the night (who knew michael jackson drank?!?) he started asking about if I had a boyfriend I told him no I got really bold and sked if he had a girlfriend and he said no. then (in full flirt mode I asked him if her ever got lonely (I kinda sang it, think the janet jackson song "I get lonely". I was tipsy, as if that excuses it haha) and he kinds laughed and said "yeah, I do sometimes" then he leaned in and kissed me. at first it was kinda soft but once he figured out that I liked it he got more aggressive and started moving he hand (huge hands by the way) up my shirt and started undresssing me. i went to undo his pants and he stopped me and said "no, not here...come with me" (considering how hot I was at that point, cruel choice of words) so I followed him to his bedroom which was really freaky looking. there was mickey mouse stuff and toys and jesus paintin all over the place. It almost got me out of the mood. almost. anyway, he pretty much threw me onto the bed and ripped off the rest of my clothes. I finished undressing him, and boy was I in for a suprise. Let´s just say michael jackson has a lot to be proud of. I´d say he´s almost 9,9-1/2 inches long and really thick. I think mike noticed me staring with my eyes wide open because he said "so you approve?", I smiled at him and started going down on him. I could barely take all of him in my mouth, while I was licking and sucking michael was making these noises, I barely could keep from laughin. he kinda
hisses and "hee-hee"s. no kidding. when he was getting really excited he stopped me and laid me back on the bed. he spread open my legs and kissed up my things. when he got to my pussy he started lickin my clit faster than anyone ever has. he´s lock his lips around it and suck, too. he had me too wet for words. then he stuck a finger inside me and started finger fucking me. right before i was about to cum he stopped and asked if I was on the pill, I told him yes and then he entered me. it hurt a little at first because he´s so big (and I´m definitely not a virgin) but once he eased himself in it was hot as hell. he has some rhythm, I´ll tell ya. he was rocking it like I´ve never been rocked before. he kept on pushing my legs farther and farther apart, he went deeper and deeper, he was so deep, I thought he was going to split me in two i came and after that he told me to get on top of him. I got on top and started riding him, he was grabbing and messaging and licking my breasts. it felt so good. I started working it, rotating my hips and michael made these little gruntin noises and mumled something like "oooh, it feels so right" (I like to think that he was talking about me in you rock my world, although I don´t really think so). then he grabbed my hips and turned me on my belly and entered me from behind. he´s kinda kinky. I wouldn´t have thought it but he was spanking me --such a big turn-on. we did the doggy style thing for a while and he came inside of me. he pulled me next to him on th bed and kissed me everywhere, he was really sweet even if he did fall asleep five minutes later. I spent the night and the next morning he said how great the night before was and offered to take me home. I declined and hailed a cab. later that day when i was back at my apartment he had tons of flowers delivered to me with a handwritten card that said "thanks for last night, you´re beautiful. M.J." I was there when mike finished the vocals on my song, but we never hooked up again. I´ve seen him him a few times at various events and he´s always very warm and nice but now that I think about it, he doesn´t seem like the type who wants relationship, just sex. i don´t regret having sex with him, and I´d do it again, he was easily the best I´ve ever had. I wish he would have used my song for the album though haha. I have to wonder how many women he´s had. Anyone have any stories? Am I special or is this a normal occurrence with MJ? I´d love to hear from the rest of you.
- Madonna says MJ liked the movie "In The Realm Of Senses"
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Madonna, Sunday Times, May 19th 1991
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MEMORIES OF MJ: We were in Romania on the "Dangerous World Tour." At one point in the show, all of the music would stop, and everyone on stage would freeze. One night I froze bent at the hip with my bottom in the air. Next thing I knew, MJ stood behind me and gave me one good spank on the bottom. I popped up like a jack-in-the-box! He knew I wasn't expecting that. The look of shock on my face was priceless as he giggled and danced away. The next time I saw him, he asked me how I felt about it. My response? "Why didn't you use BOTH hands?!" LOL!
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Diana Ross:
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The more time he spent alone, the more going seemed less alien. But the propelling force was Diana Ross. she was in his ear saying he needed to chase what he wanted, advising him how to use his name, not the family name, making him believe in her example of leaving The Supremes. One of the hottest acts around - and a mentor he adored - was telling Michael that if he wanted to be the best, he had to jump... and fly. At least, that was how the message was relayed back to me.
It was life changing advice, issued in New York on the set of Universal's adaptation of the musical, The Wiz. Diana played Dorothy and Michael played the Scarecrow. It was Mr Gordy who handed him the debut screen role after Motown
The whole experience lit another desire within Michael: to get more involved in movies. It also brought him exceptionally close to Diana.
His devotion to our goddess of Motown developed from a teenage crush into a young man's infatuation. I think it's fair to say that, in his mind, Diana was the first woman he fell in love with. I always wondered if she felt for him the way he felt for her, or if she saw him as the little boy she'd first met. Michael felt she no longer viewed him as a boy, but as a man and a respected artist. They had the kind of true friendship that rarely exists in Hollywood and I think that was what he prized most. As for how intimate they truly became, this is where his music - nearly always semi auto biographical - should speak for itself. Go listen to the wistful lyrics of "Remember the Time" released in 1992. That song was, as Michael told me, written with Diana Ross in mind; the one great love that, as far he was concerned, escaped him.
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An in the attic's bathroom, he posted only one telling item: a giant image of the 1981 Diana Ross album Why Do Fools Fall In Love - a title which I think points to his own reflections about his relationship with Diana. I found it significant that this was the only image that stood in isolation in all the rooms.
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"a new friend who started hanging out with us in NY is Madonna whose star was rising" "Dressed in all black with a proud cleavage, naval baring cropped top and wild, scrunchy hair, she seemed to be a constant presence backstage at MSG and the Helmsley Palace - Mike's favourite hotel in NYC. At first, she actually came across as shy. She seemed more of a VIP fan than a fellow artist as she moved between rooms at the hotel, being social, spending most of her time with Michael and Randy. It was certainly productive networking time for her. Not only did she end up being managed by the Jacksons' management, Weisner and DeMann, she would recruit our keyboard player, at Leonard, as her musical director, and our drummer Jonathan Moffett for her Virgin tour.
In later years, it would also become obvious how much Michael inspired her artistically: his signature crotch grabbing dance was all over her Express Yourself video, and take a listen to Material World. That beat, that bass line? In my opinion, that's Can You Feel It right there. I always sensed that Madonna was hovering with intent, looking to get action from somebody, but Michael was indifferent to her back in 1984, which was probably why she turned first to Randy. The obstacle with him was overcoming the girlfriend who was not only with him but on his arm. Short of walking around with a sign saying "I'm taken" the situation couldn't have been any clearer. But we soon learned that very little deterred Madonna. Ignoring his girlfriend, she walked up to Randy, grabbed his face and stuck her tongue down his throat.
You would have thought that kind of directness would be enough to put off someone as delicate as Michael when it came to future dating prospects but, come 1991, he and Madonna 'dated' for the shortest time. Out of all the combinations Hollywood could throw together, this was probably the most ill matched. As Michael soon found.
Here was a gentle man in touch with his feminine side, and here was a wild woman with a tight grip on her masculine side. She was everything his ideal woman wasn't: brazen, outspoken, opinionated and with an unashamed shock value. I think Madonna sincerely adored Michael but the feeling wasn't mutual and she committed two cardinal sins. The first was that she played on the fears he had about relationships: that every woman tries to change a man. It was seemed she was hell bent on loosening him up, bringing him out of his shell, getting him to see life through her eyes. The second big mistake was when they were at dinner one night and she had the temerity to criticise Janet. Michael was furious and, not surprisingly, they never went on another date.
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We knew one thing was certain though: other kids didn't wake up to find two or three pretty chambermaids standing at the foot of their bed, taking photos and giggling... with a laughing Joseph standing alongside, endorsing it. Our father was an early bird; we liked to sleep in. With his access via our connecting door, we'd hear him in our half sleep brightly offering to introduce his sons. "Do you wanna see the boys?" Next thing we knew the bedclothes were being pulled off us, leaving us lying there in our pyjamas with squinting eyes and smashed up afros. For a man who was all about presenting the right image, it seemed an odd thing to do. But that was Joseph's joke- catching us unawares.
On the occasions when Michael got wise and locked the door, we'd be woken by an angry Joseph. "OPEN THIS DOOR NOW, BOY!" He didn't stop yelling until we did. When he brought the maids in, we got mad internally but we couldn't speak up because we had to respect him. That was just how he was.
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On the road, Michael's other habit was room service; the most decadent perk of the music industry in his eyes. When he felt particularly mischievous at night, he'd ring up as someone else's child and place the biggest bogus order to a different room. But his funniest ruse was calling one of the roadies and using his high voice to impersonate a girl fan. Jack Nance our road manager and Jack Richardson, our driver come right hand man, were always our favourite targets. When they picked up their room phone Michael spoke into the receiver and introduced himself as a girl fan: "I saw you tonight... I love the way you looked," he squeaked, and then detailed what Jack had been wearing that day for added authenticity, "... and I was a fan of Michael's but you stole my eye..."
I was laughing so hard that I had to go to the bathroom, but Michael kept it going with a straight face: "What do I look like?" (cue the shy giggle) "Well, I'm tall, slim and very pretty... all my girls tell me so... How old am I? I'm almost sixteen," he'd say. He kept this going for a good ten minutes, teasing them and pumping their egos, but we never let on it was us. We just let them believe they had adoring fans. The next morning, when we saw either Jack in the hotel lobby, looking all dour and serious, Michael nudged me and whispered, "Old dogs - they're dirrrty.
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"It was after a photography class and I'd disappeared with a girl who had invited me into the dark room because she said she wanted to kiss me. With the door shut, we were awkwardly overcoming our teenage shyness in the red luminescence, reaching the point where our lips were about to touch, when - "I CAUGHT YA! I CAUGHT YA!" Michael burst in.
He caused such a commotion that a teacher arrived to find out what all the fuss was about. As I explained my way out of being with a girl in the dark room, I heard Michael running down the hallway, laughing.
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There were so many girls coming at me back then and my teenage self found the attention impossible to resist, but sneaking a girl by Bill Bray's door, and knowing when Joseph was not around, was a skill in itself. Because it was also 'forbidden' it felt like a homerun every time I managed to get a girl beyond checkpoints and beyond the threshold of the bedroom door. I had never been so grateful for exterior fire exits and back stairways. The awkward problem, of course, was sharing a room with Michael. What made this worse was that if he knew I was pursuing a certain girl, he'd deliberately attach himself to my hip. But once - one golden once - Michael was nowhere to be seen and I managed to sneak away from some hotel gathering to hook up with the prettiest of girls.
Back home, I had been seeing a lot of Hazel Gordy, but while we liked each other - and send endless love letters - puppy love had not advanced into anything serious, leaving me free to build my experience on the road. We older bothers had a way of describing how far we got with a girl: from 'first base' (the kiss) to 'second base' (touching/clothes off) to third base (the sex) and, in my hotel room, I was an LA Dodger running wild, eyes closed, on top of this girl, kissing and touching with a freedom I didn't think possible. "That feels really good..." she said. I was getting serious, she was groaning. Third base was in sight. I had one hand stroking her face, and the other on the mattress beside her head.
"I love how you stroke my thighs," she continued, "... you're real gentle..." I'm not stroking your thighs, I thought. "It feels good," she whispered. I peeked open my eyes and manoevered my head to take a sly look down the bed, and that's when I saw it - Michael's arm, reaching up and over from underneath the bed, his hand circling her thigh.
"MICHAEL!" I jumped up, the poor girl was mortified and Michael, chuckling, was already scrambling for the door. I could have killed him, not only because he was hiding there the whole time, but because he heard me whispering all these sensual, sweet nothings that he would tease me with for weeks after. I refused to speak to him that night. When we turned out the lights and he wished me goodnight, I said nothing. He waited a few minutes in the dark and then brokered the peace. "She got some real creamy thighs!" he said. And we both burst out laughing.
Jermaine story:
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We rode together as brothers en route to stadiums, but didn't always share the same vehicle at others times because the JW elders took up two seats alongside Michael. Often, there was also Frank Dileo and photographer Harrison Funk. Growing entourages meant that it wasn't always possible to travel together. But the following story was a funny memory of Michael's that Harrison - whose friendship and less was trusted to roam freely with him for many years - has assisted with.
Their van had stopped at a set of traffic lights in Kansas City when Michael spotted three hookers on the street corner, with one wearing sequined hot pants. Michael's eye couldn't help but wander. "Oh my goodness, hurt me!" he said playfully - Jackson speak for, "Oh wow, she's looking hot." Then, just as the lights were about to change, he stuck his gloved hand out of the window and waved.
Three hookers did a double take, wondering if that was just... maybe.. it can't be... Michael Jackson? Just to make sure that they were certain, Michael opened the van door a little and, looking back as the van began to move away, he showed his face, chuckled and then slammed the door tight. He twisted around in his seat to watch three hookers jumping up and down in excitement. I don't know what the two JW made of this interaction but it made Michael's day and made one thing clear: he wasn't always going to be squeaky clean.
Part 2. From Flo Anthony
Michael Jackson and Sheila
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Florence Anthony says her friend Sheila dated Michael and went to Disneyland with him in 1979, Michael Jackson Preservation Radio Show, 7th August 2011
Florence: I originally met [his family] in 1977 at Disneyworld in Orlando Florida.
Q: “Were you doing what you were doing at that time?”
Florence: Oh I was a kid. I was at Disneyworld just like they were at Disneyworld and they were in line, just like I was in line. LaToya later told me that was her first time. And the kids were like, “Flo, that’s Michael Jackson,” and I said, “No, that’s not Michael Jackson” and they said “Flo, it’s Michael Jackson” and I turned around and itwas Michael Jackson. So I was like, “Everybody just calm down and see if we could take some pictures. So we took the pictures and the rest is kind of history.”
Q: “Michael wasn’t in disguise when you met him?”
Florence: No no, Mike was in line like everybody else. And later on, a friend of mine that he used to go with, Sheila, she went to Disneyworld with him not long after that, I would say maybe a year and a half, two years after that, and he wasn’t in disguise at all. He would mainly put on disguises when he would hand out JW pamphlets and stuff, but other than that he wasn’t in disguise.
Q: “You said he used to go with Sheila?”
Florence: Yeah, a friend of mine, Sheila, used to go with Mike and she went to Disneyworld with him, I’d say about a year and a half – that was about 77 so it was about 78, 79, when they went to Disney after that and I mean, he was a great great fan of Disneyworld and so he was there often throughout his life. Even after the kids were born he would go, back then I can’t think of the first… ’cause that’s when they had the Magic Kingdom, so I can’t quite think of the hotel he stayed in but after that he would mainly stay at the Dolphin and the Swan, because he liked the paddle boats that they had and then after that his favorite hotel was the Grand Floridian.
Confirms they dated on her facebook, August 2011
Florence Anthony:
• Yes. My friend Sheila dated Mike.
Suspect it might be a woman called Sheila Eldridge...
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So here's this girl, Sheila Eldridge, who has worked with Flo Anthony
she also went to Howard U. which is where Flo went to school, and she graduated from Howard in 1975 and lived in LA after that, working in music publicity and going to UCLA, so she'd be in the right place for it...
:: The Crusade vrs 3.0 :: #!/usr/nyc/bin/the business/...
This is her pictured on the very left in 1979, the year where she would've been to Disney with him (if it is her)
The Sylvers visiting the Los Angeles offices of Cashbox music trade magazine(Sheila Eldridge of Casablanca Records, Angie Sylvers, Foster Sylvers, Carita Spencer - R&B Editor at Cashbox Magazine)
Pictures & Photos of Foster Sylvers - IMDb
Pictures & Photos of Foster Sylvers - IMDb
So she worked in the industry and she's friends with people who worked in Motown and other labels too...
She was thanked for help with Nelson George's 1984 book about MJ...
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ABOUT DEBBIE AND LISA MARIE
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Interviewer: "You even advocated his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, who to this day, people still think it's a sham."
Oh no, not that one or the one with Debbie. Lisa Marie was... I went to London, when I don't know, he was inbetween her and Debbie. One of them flew in, the other one flew out, I don't know what Mike was up to. Yeah, it was crazy, I don't know what was going on. But Lisa Marie and Janet became best friends and Rebbie used to babysit Ben and Riley. Rebbie's daughter, Stacy or the other one, used to babysit for Lisa Marie.
That was a very real marriage. One time when I was on The Scream videoshoot, in fact, Lisa Marie kept calling Mike the whole time we were doing the video, and kept calling over there.
She's wonderful, that's another person that's very nice and very down to Earth. I only spoke to her a few times.
But you know, Debbie is a friend of mine. I got to be friendly with Debbie. So that was also a very real marriage.
She used to call me and cry at night. After Mike died and I went to Jamaica with Tito and did the interviews with him for The Insider, she didn't talk to me, but the producers called and said, "We have a message to you from Debbie Rowe, she said you were just great with Tito on TV" and I said, "Well, is she gonna call me?" But they said she was still grieving too hard. But the way she called me was, she saw me on TV defending them, when Prince was a baby, and she called me up and she got my
number and she said, "You know what, I'm so tired of people talking junk about MY kid and MY husband." Those were her exact words. And then I started talking to her and she started calling me on the phone almost every night.
I got to know her, I only spoke to Lisa Marie a couple of times. But she's always been very nice.
Interviewer: "I thought Lisa Marie was so great when she did that Diane Sawyer interview with Mike."
And also when she did Oprah last spring she was fantastic.
And I have this friend, I call him Ted The Gangster (?), when Michael married Lisa Marie... he said, "You know, call me when there's a Michael Jackson press conference." He said, "Forget all them wannabe pimps, Eddie Murphy and Magic Johnson, he just bust out Elvis Presley's daughter like she was nobody." He said, "That's my man!" He said, "Call me when he's in town!" "He just plucked her out the forrest like she was nothin' and married her." That was very true.
"When one flew into London, the other left..."
Oh yeah, we were like, "What is he up to?" They were passing each other in the sky. That was Mike, he's more like his daddy than people thought. That was Mike. That was the Mike I knew.
Part 4. African Oakland Artist He Proposed To In The 90s
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Flo Anthony, facebook, 12th August 2011 “I do know he dated an artist from the Oakland, California area in the 90s who he was considering marrying. She had one of those African type names.”
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Liza Minnelli, Daily Mail, 27th September 2011
She sighs. ‘I remember he was going with this girl and he was so in love with her. He came to show me the ring he’d bought for her. I asked him what he was going to say and he didn’t know. So I said: “Let’s rehearse,” and that’s what we did. ‘But the girl turned him down. She said she wasn’t ready to commit right now. She told him to ask again in six months. And it all but killed him. He was heartbroken. I knew all his girlfriends including Lisa Marie who became his wife.’
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Liza Minnelli Confirms It Isn't Anyone Famous, Twitter, September 2011
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No, it wasn’t Brooke Shields. I don’t feel at liberty to divulge the identity of the girl, but no, it wasn’t even anyone famous.
Some other stuff on that time period I collected which might be about her
Michael Jackson And An African Oakland Artist He Had Proposed To
| Part 5. 1992 Michael Jackson Neverland Jacuzzi Photos ⇑ ‘Jackson Touchy-Feely In The Jacuzzi” South African paper the Rapport, June 1992 Former employees of Michael Jackson are in possession of steamy photographs of the singer taken in the jacuzzi of his California ranch and are threatening to sell the pictures and shatter his squeaky clean image. The photographs were taken from CCTV footage at Michael’s Neverland ranch and show the singer in the jacuzzi with two naked women. The one photograph shows the singer touching one of the women’s breasts. A source said: “These cameras were installed for Michael’s protection and now look at what has happened.” The guards are asking for $100 000 for the pics. Michael says he will sue if they are ever published. News reports surfaced in May/June 1992 that photos of Michael Jackson in a jacuzzi with two unidentified women had attempted to be sold to News of The World, but that Michael Jackson had threatened to sue if they were published. Quote: ⇑ Jackson's Sex Snaps Stolen, News Of The World, May 24th 1992 SENSATIONAL photos of Michael Jackson romping with naked women are being offered for sale by one of his former aides. A former aide of Michael’s had swiped the pictures out of a security camera at Michael’s luxury ranch, which showed him fondling a topless woman in a jacuzzi. The former aide was selling the pictures along with a home video of Michael and Macaulay Culkin, and another set of pictures showing Michael doing a “bizarre” dance with the bones of the elephant man. The article also claimed that the former aide was once, one of Michael’s closest friends. Others are said to feature the star, who has never had a serious girlfriend, in a clinch with a nude woman – apparently unaware he is being filmed. The News of the World this week turned down an offer to buy the snaps for £60,000. The snaps are thought to have been copied from film swiped out security cameras at the eccentric star’s 2,700 – acre California ranch. Ironically the cameras are there to protect Jackson, who is obsessive about privacy. Jackson tried to buy the skeleton of hideously deformed John Merrick – played by John Hurt in the film the Elephant Man – for £1 million from a London hospital. But his offer was rebuffed and the star had a replica built. ⇑ Jackson's secrets may be exposed, Nationwide News Pty Limited, May 25th 1992 The Advertiser May 25, 1992 Monday Jackson’s secrets may be exposed SOURCE: aap LENGTH: 96 words MICHAEL JACKSON usually leads a reclusive life at his luxury ranch, but some of the mystery may soon be exposed. A former associate of pop’s megastar is trying to sell photos of Jackson romping with naked women. The News of the World reported that some pictures show Jackson fondling a topless girl in a jacuzzi at his ranch. The newspaper turned down an offer to buy the photos for $138,000. Also included in the package was a video of Home Alone child star Macaulay Culkin at the ranch and photos of him doing a bizarre dance with a skeleton of the Elephant Man. PERSON: MICHAEL JACKSON (94%); MICHAEL JACKSON (94%); LOAD-DATE: September 27, 2003 LANGUAGE: ENGLISH GRAPHIC: photo: michael jackson JOURNAL-CODE: ADV Copyright 1992 Nationwide News Pty Limited |
Part 6. "Terri Fredericksen" Redhead Scientologist Girl From 1983 Or Before
Lloyd Skip Press is a former Scientologist and knew Priscilla and Lisa Marie Presley when he was in Scientology, he also dated a "Terri Frederickersen", another Scientologist at that time, who he knew had a relationship with Michael Jackson and had told him "he definitely isn't gay"
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Skip Press, alt.law-enforcement.interpol , Oct 16 1998
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I know Lisa Marie. I don't believe she'd marry anyone unless she loved them, and knowing her husband as well, I'm not surprised they had problems which led to divorce. I'm also not surprised if they're back together.
Lisa is a sweet girl, but it was a helluva tough thing growing up in her spotlight. And I don't think Danny Keogh was on staff at the time, so you're really twisting some facts here. Michael knew a lot of Scientologists, including Terry Frederickson, a girl who was later
declared a "suppressive person" by Scientology. Lots of people worked on getting him into Scientology, and his father Joe Jackson went to
Clearwater and got auditing. Other members of the family might have, too.
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I kind of recall Reed Slatkin running the Santa Barbara mission in the
> mid-80s? Is that right?
I am not sure re this...I met him while on OT 7, in the '90's, as I said.
Anyone else know?
Hey...did you see the FRONT PAGE Section of the LA TIMES Business section
today? "REED SLATKIN Given 14-Year Prison Term". Excellent article. Oh...I'd
LOVE To see RPR (Ron's Public Relations Office--responible for Hubbard's
personal image, which just took another huge dive this week---scurring
around today Hi kids.....face it, as long as you keep acting
like dorks, you will be looked at as the criminals you support.
> In any event, the person running Division 6 there, the public division,
> was a 17 year-old former drug dealer. The whole place was kind loose
> and crazy, like most $cn missions and churches.
I remember those days well. Actually, I found them MUCH more fun than the
Nazi regime dramitization that occurs with this new regime. Don't you
agree..or did you leave before it got so bad?
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, July 12 2002
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Jackson's involvement goes back to the early 1980s, when he was sleeping with a former drug dealer turned Division 6 (Santa Barbara mission, public recruitment for those who don't know) person named Terry Fredericksen, who was a vivacious redheaded lady. She was later declared a Suppressive Person by the Church, and her not recruiting Jackson might've had something to do with it. And before that, $cientologist Dick Zimmerman, a top fashion photographer in Los Angeles, shot Jackson's "Thriller" cover.
It gets deeper. His father, Joe Jackson, went to Flag and had auditing, and Jermaine Jackson and his wife Hazel (the daughter of Berry Gordy) took a film class with Eric Sherman, the son of noted director Vincent Sherman.
The Jacksons were around a lot of clams over the years and one poster was right -- the cult's too weird even for Jackson.
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, February 1st 2005
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Then there's Michael Jackson.
- Married to $cientologist Lisa Marie Presley.
- Bedded by $cientologist Terri Fredericksen (who was later declared a
Suppressive Person by the cult - was it because she couldn't get him
involved?)
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Skip Press, alt.religion.sciento logy, Mar 31 2005
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They were trying to get him a long time before that. Around 1983 a redhead from Terry Fredericksen told me she slept with him and that he definitely wasn't gay. I'm not sure if it was because she didn't recruit him into the cult or what, but it wasn't long after that that Terry was "declared a suppressive person" by the evil cult.
Joe Jackson supposedly got auditing at Flag in Clearwater, but I'm not
sure if that explains why he looks like the devil. Jermaine Jackson took a film class from $cientologist Eric Sherman, who tried to recruit him. Not sure how that turned out.
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Skip Press, 26th June 2009
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Anybody remember anyone ever posting anything here about Joe Jackson
getting auditing at Flag and how Lisa Marie might've also worked on
Michael to get him intto $cientology? Michael and I both briefly dated
the same $cientology woman (no I'm not telling), and $cientologist Dick Zimmerman shot his "Thriller" cover. I know they'd say "if he was in $cientology he'd be alive" but I've wondered at times about Michael and the cult.
Another former Scientologist, Michael Wilde, also recollects that a female Scientologist had attempted to recruit Michael Jackson and been labeled a suppressive later
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Michael Wilde, alt.self-improve Dec 1 2002
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Three people were involved in attempting to bring Wacko Jackson (Michael Jackson) into scientology. One is in jail, the other has been "Declared" (a word meaning to be declared as a suppressive element in the organization) and chucked out on HER ear.The third (Ms Presley, herself), is not welcome back.
My understanding is that two people were kicked out of Scientology because they were more interested in the FSM commission from Jackson than having their ethics in (among their many other crimes).
Unfortunately we haven't been able to track her down, but it seems strange to me that Skip and Michael would both lie about this (they aren't MJ fans and have made no profit from any of this) and for such a consistent period of time, over 10 years at this point. Skip also talks about dating three other women who were in/around the music biz from back then and has also consistently referred to them throughout the last 10 years, I decided to google around and all of them check out and all the time periods he describes for them check out.
But if you ask Skip about it he won't answer and Michael is terrified of talking about Scientology with anyone...
Part 7. The Last Girlfriend The BG Talk About?
Someone on Reddit made these posts in a discussion about dating celebrities:
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[–]intheknowtoo 19 points 7 hours ago
I know the person dating Michael Jackson when he passed. Shocking part: it's a girl. Shocking part #2: She looks exactly like his youngest child.
[–] intheknowtoo 2 points 3 hours ago
Not sure how much I feel comfortable revealing, since they managed to keep it out of the public eye quite successfully. If it ever comes out, you read it here first. She's a non-American dancer but not really famous. Way younger than he was. Nicest person you'll ever meet, too.
from intheknowtoo via IAmA sent 4 minutes ago
I doubt they really know what they're talking about. Groupie does not equal girlfriend. This girl was his girlfriend, he did an amazing job protecting her from the public eye and pretty much everybody he didn't want to know. She keeps on working as a dancer even to this day with nobody bothering her about this.
Only a few people knew about it.
[–]intheknowtoo 1 point 15 minutes ago
She never worked for him. She's in her early 30s now.
[–]intheknowtoo 1 point 3 minutes ago
Honestly, I don't know about that. All I know is that kid [Blanket] looks exactly like a mix between the two of them.
I've never heard from her she's his mother, but they look so much alike it's scary.
So the BG know about her and she's apparently told friends about dating him but they've all kept it a secret...
I think if he had a type then Blanket's mother would likely fit that...
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Gest says that Michael was on a film set and one of the leading actresses on the film took him to her room and they had sex so if we can find out what film sets Mike has visited, we could whittle it down.Frank Dileo mentions relationships that Mike had seperately from the hollywood stars he had been with. He said that Michael told him confidentially about relationships he had been in but were kept strictly private as noone wants the fans to find out because fans want to still think the have a shot with him.
And some guy (I'm not sure who some of the people are in the doc but I assume he is famous) saying that he was sharing a table with Mike at some function and he had to go to the loo, when he got back, Mike was chatting up his date and the guy was like "beat it and get your own".
Then they talk a bit about LMP. That's it really.
Oh and Whitney thought at one point Michael was sucking her toe but it turns out to be Bubbles. I think she was joking about thinking it was MJ.
In an outtake, Whitney says this:
Whitney: "I really wanted to marry Michael and you [David Gest] were in the way all the time, so that's why."
David: "He should've married you."
Whitney: "Yeah he damn well should've, right."
David: "I love you so much."
Whitney: "I love you, too."
Part 9.
Tatum O'Neal admits to making out with MJ and says she knew his love for Diana was real....
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Tatum O'Neal on Howard Stern, June 15th 2011
Howard: Ever make out with...
Tatum: Michael Jackson? Yes.
Howard: So you did make out with Michael Jackson?
Tatum: (laughing) Yes. Uh-huh.
Howard: Now that's weird.
Tatum: Sorry. That's not weird, come on, that's lucky. A lot of people would want to make out with him, it was before had all that face work done, come on.
Howard: But I thought you said he was kind of scared...
Tatum: He was scared... he had a big half...(gets interrupted)
Howard: Of course he was scared, he was a homosexual man.
Tatum: Was he? Is that what you think? He was in love with Diana Ross and I know that that was real.
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Tatum_Oneal Tatum O'Neal
@NitashaNath Michael jackson was the sweetest person in the entire world.x
Tatum_Oneal Tatum O'Neal
@mimimjfan I met Michael the first time when I was 13. But we were friends for a long time. X
@RatmiMj09
what do you feel when you first time met michael?
@Tatum O'Neal
love
MJ always had a thing for the ladies, even as a kid
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Chris Sanders MSX
07-27-2002, 05:27 PM
I've met no one but my parenst have. My dad has met Carol Mosely Brawn, Mayor Daley(of Chicago), Jonny Cochrin(Lawyer that got OJ Simpson off..People say they look alike),Judge Mavis and that's all.
My Mom dated Michael Jackson when they were teens during a break from touring, or something like that.
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"Your mother dated MJ?"
csandreas Christopher Delbert
As a kid.. yeah. How do you know about that?
This was when Mike was about 10/11, this was back in Gary Indiana
Joanelle and Jocelyn also said they "dated" him back then (whatever kids call dating)
Michael Jackson and Joanelle Romero | rhythm of the tide
1970 Jocelyne Danchick | rhythm of the tide
1. In recent years, there has been a sex story circulating purporting to be from a woman who worked w/MJ in the studio in the lat 90's/early 00's.The basics of the story however are based on a "real" post made in 2002 by a woman in the music industry on a little know fan forum know at that time as the "KOP ghetto squad." The woman, who claimed to be 27 at the time of the MJ hook up in '99, was an acquaintance of one of that forum's founders. The woman was very blunt with the details, describing the surprisingly good sex, the weirdness of looking at mickey mouse dolls in his room as they were about to get busy, and even admitting that she was surprised to find out that he wasn't gay or asexual. The woman swore up and down that she was telling the truth, but after many fan inquiries, she stopped talking about it and never returned to the forum.
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@ inamorato: Yes, that's the story I remember. Yvette. A little background info on the "ghetto squad" board: it was created as a little offshoot of a much bigger MJ fan forum by a small group of black/urban posters who loved MJ, knew and loved his entire catalogue (not just the solo and post-Thriller stuff) knew he was misunderstood, but also knew he was not infallible. They just wanted to keep it real when discussing him, and felt that they could be more comfy in a place where their discussions would not be attacked by Michael's wider and often irrational internet fan base(many of whom were too caught up in the angelic/peter pan image to ever consider him having sex with anybody ever). So the ghetto board was a small but tight-knit place with a lot of humor, insight from a few people familiar with the entertainment industry, andeven a few celeb guest posters (including MC Hammer, I remember). But anyway, from what I remember about this, the posters were definitely intrigued by Yvette's story. I don't remember if anyone doubted her story- nobody clowned her, and I know some believed it, but overall, everyone was just really entertained by it. Yvette posted in the thread a few more times, but I guess at one point, she'd had enough and quit posting (but not before trying to deny the story). The thread also disappeared, maybe at her request- I don't know. And I do remember one of the forum founders saying that she knew and had talked to Yvette and had no reason to believe this professional would be lying about something like that.
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@ inamorato: Yes, that's the story I remember. Yvette. A little background info on the "ghetto squad" board: it was created as a little offshoot of a much bigger MJ fan forum by a small group of black/urban posters who loved MJ, knew and loved his entire catalogue (not just the solo and post-Thriller stuff) knew he was misunderstood, but also knew he was not infallible. They just wanted to keep it real when discussing him, and felt that they could be more comfy in a place where their discussions would not be attacked by Michael's wider and often irrational internet fan base(many of whom were too caught up in the angelic/peter pan image to ever consider him having sex with anybody ever). So the ghetto board was a small but tight-knit place with a lot of humor, insight from a few people familiar with the entertainment industry, andeven a few celeb guest posters (including MC Hammer, I remember). But anyway, from what I remember about this, the posters were definitely intrigued by Yvette's story. I don't remember if anyone doubted her story- nobody clowned her, and I know some believed it, but overall, everyone was just really entertained by it. Yvette posted in the thread a few more times, but I guess at one point, she'd had enough and quit posting (but not before trying to deny the story). The thread also disappeared, maybe at her request- I don't know. And I do remember one of the forum founders saying that she knew and had talked to Yvette and had no reason to believe this professional would be lying about something like that.
yvette story here
I feel so bad. It has spelling mistakes though. & I'll repeat that I'm not sure if I believe it because it sounds like a groupie encounter and I don't believe those stories.
someone told me about this site on saturday
so i thought I´d check it out, you guys are pretty funny, I want to tell you about something that happened between me and the man himself, you don´t have to believe me and you can put me on blast all you want but the person who told me about the board (does josie post in here? What´s her name?) knows that I´m not some crazy groupie wannabe, so here it goes..my name is yvette, I´m songwriter/producer and I´m 27 years old. I probably shouldn´t be saying this but I don´t think anyone will care too much. I had sex with Michael Jackson in November of 2000. I was asked to submit a few songs for inclusion on Invincible. I was invited to work with him, working on harmonies and vocals and stuff. we became kinda buddy - buddy during the course of the time we worked together. I thought he was flirty with me but I fugred that I must have been imaging it because I thought mike was gay and if he wasn´t, that he only was interested in white women (I´m black latina), but one day mike asked if I wanted to come chill with him and some other people back at his place, I agreed. during the night I became convinced that mike was definitely flirting with me. he´d whisper things into my ear, grab me around he waist, things like that let me tell you, michael jackson looks sexier than any of you would ever imagine, when we hung out he wasn´t wearing any makeup, he´d wear sweatpants and a baseball cap. he looked so normal and he really does have ths sexy presence around him, the little mannerisms he does -- biting his lip, pressing up against you. I never thought Michael Jackson was sexy before but I sure do now, when the get-together was winding down, I thanked Mike for the lovely evening and got ready to leave, Michael asked if I´d like to stay. I agreed to stay and we started talking, mike was really talkative, I think it had something to do with the six glasss of wine he drank through the night (who knew michael jackson drank?!?) he started asking about if I had a boyfriend I told him no I got really bold and sked if he had a girlfriend and he said no. then (in full flirt mode I asked him if her ever got lonely (I kinda sang it, think the janet jackson song "I get lonely". I was tipsy, as if that excuses it haha) and he kinds laughed and said "yeah, I do sometimes" then he leaned in and kissed me. at first it was kinda soft but once he figured out that I liked it he got more aggressive and started moving he hand (huge hands by the way) up my shirt and started undresssing me. i went to undo his pants and he stopped me and said "no, not here...come with me" (considering how hot I was at that point, cruel choice of words) so I followed him to his bedroom which was really freaky looking. there was mickey mouse stuff and toys and jesus paintin all over the place. It almost got me out of the mood. almost. anyway, he pretty much threw me onto the bed and ripped off the rest of my clothes. I finished undressing him, and boy was I in for a suprise. Let´s just say michael jackson has a lot to be proud of. I´d say he´s almost 9,9-1/2 inches long and really thick. I think mike noticed me staring with my eyes wide open because he said "so you approve?", I smiled at him and started going down on him. I could barely take all of him in my mouth, while I was licking and sucking michael was making these noises, I barely could keep from laughin. he kinda
hisses and "hee-hee"s. no kidding. when he was getting really excited he stopped me and laid me back on the bed. he spread open my legs and kissed up my things. when he got to my pussy he started lickin my clit faster than anyone ever has. he´s lock his lips around it and suck, too. he had me too wet for words. then he stuck a finger inside me and started finger fucking me. right before i was about to cum he stopped and asked if I was on the pill, I told him yes and then he entered me. it hurt a little at first because he´s so big (and I´m definitely not a virgin) but once he eased himself in it was hot as hell. he has some rhythm, I´ll tell ya. he was rocking it like I´ve never been rocked before. he kept on pushing my legs farther and farther apart, he went deeper and deeper, he was so deep, I thought he was going to split me in two i came and after that he told me to get on top of him. I got on top and started riding him, he was grabbing and messaging and licking my breasts. it felt so good. I started working it, rotating my hips and michael made these little gruntin noises and mumled something like "oooh, it feels so right" (I like to think that he was talking about me in you rock my world, although I don´t really think so). then he grabbed my hips and turned me on my belly and entered me from behind. he´s kinda kinky. I wouldn´t have thought it but he was spanking me --such a big turn-on. we did the doggy style thing for a while and he came inside of me. he pulled me next to him on th bed and kissed me everywhere, he was really sweet even if he did fall asleep five minutes later. I spent the night and the next morning he said how great the night before was and offered to take me home. I declined and hailed a cab. later that day when i was back at my apartment he had tons of flowers delivered to me with a handwritten card that said "thanks for last night, you´re beautiful. M.J." I was there when mike finished the vocals on my song, but we never hooked up again. I´ve seen him him a few times at various events and he´s always very warm and nice but now that I think about it, he doesn´t seem like the type who wants relationship, just sex. i don´t regret having sex with him, and I´d do it again, he was easily the best I´ve ever had. I wish he would have used my song for the album though haha. I have to wonder how many women he´s had. Anyone have any stories? Am I special or is this a normal occurrence with MJ? I´d love to hear from the rest of you.
- Madonna says MJ liked the movie "In The Realm Of Senses"
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Madonna, Sunday Times, May 19th 1991
Jackson's contribution to the venture, though, was slow to materialise. ``Michael was always very vague. So I started throwing things at him, to provoke a response. I gave him the movie In the Realm of the Senses, and he always said he liked it but, you know, I have a beautiful art collection all over my house and photographic books of nudes and stuff, and I think he looked at them as if they were just pornography.''
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In the Realm of the Senses is a 1976 Franco-Japanese romantic drama film directed by Nagisa Oshima. It is a fictionalised and sexually explicit treatment of an incident from 1930s Japan, that of Sada Abe.[2] It generated great controversy during its release;[2] while intended for mainstream wide release, it contains scenes of unsimulated sexual activity between the actors (Tatsuya Fuji and Eiko Matsuda, among others).- Teddy Riley on Remember The Time:
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WhosBadAlli Alli Christian
@TeddyRiley1 Is Remember The Time written about Debbie Rowe or Diana Ross?
TeddyRiley1 TEDDY RILEY @
@WhosBadAlli Hell to da nooooooo...not Debbie.
WhosBadAlliAlli Christian
@TeddyRiley1 Wikipedia lied to me & said you said it was. -___-
17 Augvia
TeddyRiley1TEDDY RILEY by
@WhosBadAlli I never talked to Wikipedia about anything.
Siedah Garrett Fan Page
MEMORIES OF MJ: We were in Romania on the "Dangerous World Tour." At one point in the show, all of the music would stop, and everyone on stage would freeze. One night I froze bent at the hip with my bottom in the air. Next thing I knew, MJ stood behind me and gave me one good spank on the bottom. I popped up like a jack-in-the-box! He knew I wasn't expecting that. The look of shock on my face was priceless as he giggled and danced away. The next time I saw him, he asked me how I felt about it. My response? "Why didn't you use BOTH hands?!" LOL!
OTHER UPDATES:
- MJ's bodyguards have split up, Mike Garcia went off solo, but the other two are still writing a book. Mike recently mentioned MJ picking up "Friend" from the airport in an interview. The book should be released soon according to them. They caused some fuss when they went on a TV show and said they didn't think Murray should be on trial and he was a nice guy or something, got huge backlash but they seem to be still keeping on with their thing and I'm still interested in their book.
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f249/ladies-michaels-life-viii-348730/index2.html
thanks , girls, i love youuu""""
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ALINUTAAA
ASTA E PENTRU TINE
ASTAZI S-AU CERTAT HATERII PE RASISM SI LE-AM PUS UN FILMULET CU MJ.A BLACK MAN-S DREAM
UITE CE MI-AU RASPUNS
STIAM DE ASTA
DAR ASTA CONFIRMA CA ESTE UN NEGRU ADEVARAT
DAR INFIRMA ALTCEVA...
MESAJUL RAMANE, DAR HATERII STIU CA NU E ASA
CRED CA OMUL MAI VB SI LA NERVI
DE CATE LICHELE A FOST INCONJURAT
LINKUL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SPxUsj-2A&feature=youtu.be
A DAT-O SI EL CU BATA IN BALTA CU TOT MESAJUL ALA FRUMOS
DEFAPT, NU E ANTI RASISM, CI ANTISEMITISM...ASTA E DE PARCA NOI NU AVEM CU TIGANII NOSTRI--RASISMUL E CEEA CE AFACUT SNADDON ASTA E CLAR
aoleu, e de citit :), atatea femei :)
they can kiss his royal ass :)
toata lumea face greseli, el nu s-a referit la toti evreii, ci la unul anume, deci nici antisemitism nu e
inca ceva in toate listele cu caritatile lui mj apare ca a fost nominalizat la pemiul nobel ptr pace in 92, in 98 si in 2002, dar in listele oficiale nu se gasete nimic...dezinformare, cred
Ali, cauta si tu..ca rad haterii de mine:))
chiar nu imi vine sa ma apuc sa controlez toata lista, ca sa vad ce e adevarat si ce nu ...poate ca au mai inflorit sim faNII
CHIAR AVEAM NEVOIE DE DOAMNELE ASTEA, PE BUNE:)) DUPA TATIA HATERI PE CAPUL MEU
a fost nominalizat la premiul Nobel de doua ori, in 1998 si in 2003
LISTA, ALIII..LE TREBUIE LISTA OFICIALA DE LA SITEUL ALORA...ASTIA SUNT CA TOMA
POATE NU AU IN ARHIVA
STAI CA AM ZIS DE MANDELA SI VAD CA S-AU LUAT SI DE ASTA..CA NU AR FI ZIS MANDELA CA MJ E INSPIRATIE, STII TU, CITATUL DE SUS DE LA BLOG...DAR LE-AM PUS CA LUMEA, SA TACA AI VAZUT CA IN VIDEO APARE EXACT ASTA, DAR CU ALTE CUVINTE
DECI ASTIA CRED NUMAI ZIARELE
DAR CD LE-AM DAT EU DIN ZIAR POVESTEA CU JACUZZI , CU MJ SI CU FEMEILE ALEA..HOPAAA..CA NU MAI CRED IN TABLOIDE
IPOCRITI
O TIN PE A LOR
SI NOI PE A NOASTRA SI M BN II LAS NAIBII IN PACE
CHESTIA FAINA E CA I-AM FACUT SA SE CERTE INTRE EI SI IN LEGATURA CU RASISMUL SI CU RELIGIILE SI REPREZENTANTII EI
DIVIDE ET IMPERA:)))
DAR CD LE-AM DAT EU DIN ZIAR POVESTEA CU JACUZZI , CU MJ SI CU FEMEILE ALEA..HOPAAA..CA NU MAI CRED IN TABLOIDE
IPOCRITI
O TIN PE A LOR
SI NOI PE A NOASTRA SI M BN II LAS NAIBII IN PACE
CHESTIA FAINA E CA I-AM FACUT SA SE CERTE INTRE EI SI IN LEGATURA CU RASISMUL SI CU RELIGIILE SI REPREZENTANTII
DIVIDE ET IMPERA:)))
FII ATENTA CE FRAIERI
MIKY
MICHAEL JACKSON WAS LIKE A PRIEST IN CHURCH
YOU MUST TO FOLLOW HIS MESSAGE, NOT HIS LIFE
AMEN
Hunja
A catholic pastor?
MIKY
i return for this:))
anti-chatolic but not anti-semitic??
you are aliens
You can go back to the Crusades
Hunja wrote:
Nope,I have nothing against chatolics.
But ot is was a big issue that some Catholic priest have molest children and don't get any punishment(like..yeah you know!;)).That is all.
MIKY
Nope,MICHAEL JACKSON have nothing against JEWS.
But ot is was a big issue that some JEWS OR ONLY ONE FUCKED HIM ON A BUSINESS..yeah you know!;)).That is all.
SORRY BYE
GATA, AM TERMINAT CU EI
iti consumi energia degeaga, sunt prea inversunati si nu ai ce sa le faci, sorry
nu era o lista si pe wikipedia, cu caritatea si nominalizarile? pup
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